I recently read tat this is now the case....

Wonder why?

Monsanto doesn't own the politicians in Russia?

Genetically engineered seeds have shown to have allergic and cancer causing agents for some people. Russia will grow their food the old way through hybridization and genetics, along with China.

This is probably not the answer you are looking for....

So why are our farmers forced to use GMO seeds?

In fact some farmers have tried to commercially grow non-GMO crops and the USDA and FDA file injunctions against them, courts have ruled that commercial farmers in America cannot grow non GMO crops, farmers have appealed this and lost on The basis that such non GMO crops would pose a threat.

Rich g., would it be asking too much to add links to your sources?

+1

Companies like Monsanto sell GMO and non GMO seed, right? The "forcing" mechanism might be the market. If you have to apply chemicals (pesticides/herbicides) to a non gmo crop, you will occur alot of regulations and cost. So the companies like Monsanto will highly recommend and push their sales and ultimately your product to gmo?

A link would be nice, not sure anyone is being forced..?

Dan nailed it. Monsanto, DOW, Con Agra, et al have a stranglehold on the entire system and politicians from both sides. Our agricultural practices, in this country are so out of balance and destructive and it's with our leaders' blessings that they destroy our water and soil.

My family avoids GMO at every opportunity.

GMO seeds don't grow well in bunkers in the US or missile silos in Russia.

Just how does one define GMO? Most, if not all domesticated animals and food crops are genetically modified through selective breeding, hybridizing, grafting one species to another. Like to see a clear definition.

Hank's home state gets all uppity by listing glyphosate in Roundup as a known carcinogen and guilty parties get sued by Monsanto.

Seems you're safe eating Monsanto's GMO corn for 90 days but not for 2 years. Not surprisingly, this study was reportedly retracted by the publisher against the protests of the authors....

Seems this ubiquitous chemical is even in beer

For those of you that are dealing with diabetes or know someone who is, this two part video on the history of wheat and its correlation to diabetes is very interesting.



The chart showing the growth rate in global usage of modern wheat and the incidence of diabetes during that same time frame infers a likely causal factor.

http://www.who.int/foodsafety/areas_work/food-technology/faq-genetically-modified-food/en/
1. What are genetically modified (GM) organisms and GM foods?

Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) can be defined as organisms (i.e. plants, animals or microorganisms) in which the genetic material (DNA) has been altered in a way that does not occur naturally by mating and/or natural recombination. The technology is often called “modern biotechnology” or “gene technology”, sometimes also “recombinant DNA technology” or “genetic engineering”. It allows selected individual genes to be transferred from one organism into another, also between nonrelated species. Foods produced from or using GM organisms are often referred to as GM foods.

Hard to believe there are people that don't know what GMO is but it's safe to say that when you have rat DNA in your corn on the cob, your corn is GMO.


http://www.rense.com/general44/cell.htm





In May 2000, for example, Monsanto disclosed for the first time that its genetically engineered soybeans-their most widely used product, which has been on the market for four years-contained additional and unexpected gene fragments. Just one year later, Monsanto had to admit once again that additional unexpected DNA was discovered in the soybeans.

"Despite very visible gaffes by the biotechnology industry, such as illegal corn in taco shells or unapproved genetically engineered livestock in the food supply, it is shocking to learn about experiments that put rat genes in soybeans and chicken genes in corn," added Caplan. "Because genetically engineered crops are poorly regulated and resulting food products carry no consumer label, consumers are all test subjects in a vast

So, GMO would include grafting of fruit trees as that does not occur naturally. Many food crops are/were made by human-directed crossing of species of plants.

Certainly, too, GMO would include triploid fish so we should stop using those?

I can see your definition works at the far ends modifications but it gets grayer as one moves towards the middle of the distribution.

Even Organic is GMO, in order not to get GMO you need to grow airloom varieties and even then you can't be sure.

The other thing about GMO is that it generally will not produce fertile seed.

As marijuana comercial cultivation gets going no doubt will GMO weed be the thing of the future. They can modify it any way they like. Cross it with plants with carcinogens so it kills you over time like tobacco, better for the economy that way.

Grafting doesn't fu.ck with the DNA and doesn't require a Petri dish and 10 million dollars worth of equipment to accomplish.

As for triploids IDGAF. I wouldn't eat one of those things unless I was starving, besides they fight like wet sweatpants. I don't care what other people do.

GMO organisms aren't cross-breeds. They aren't even similar.

If you could cross-breed a slug and an elephant, that would be one thing, but you can't. You can, however, splice a slug's genes into an elephant's - THAT is a GMO. It's not like grafting a Gravenstein apple branch on a red delicious tree or cross-pollinating.

It's an apples and oranges comparison, and frankly, I'm surprised you even posed that question.

Crossing different species, whether done in a lab or in nature is modifying the genetics of that organisms at a genetic (DNA) level. It may, and has, occurred in nature. It may, and has, occurred in the lab.

My question was just where and how you draw the line. My dad had the heart valve of a pig surgically implanted. Kept him alive. How much of medical research is "GMO"? That bad too?

GMO= artificially spliced DNA, mixing multiple species DNA, to get desired traits or response.

Humans could be GMO as well, actually we probably are at this point, either by design or by events of "micro evolution", our bodies adapting to GMO's in our diets and environment at an excellerated rate.

The evidence suggests that we are being modified in one way or another, look at all the evidence; autism, mental illness(60% of the US population is on drugs for mental disorders, from anxiety, depression to bi-polar). That is not normal, we are human beings, we live in an environment we were built to enhabit, the majority of the population should not need drugs just to cope with life, there is no logical reason for it.

From the cited video, I found it surprising that a couple slices of whole wheat bread have the same glycemic index as a Snickers bar. Thus, the likely link to such maladies. The speaker's claim is easily verified. So much for eating healthy and food pyramids. You're preaching to the choir regarding the documented downsides to refined sugar.

BU is right, crossing is not the same as modifying...

crossing has as he said been going on for ever.... different strains of Tomato's, Apples, Oranges, Strawberries, Rasberries, ect....

hell they even cross Cannabis all the time, thats not modifying anything.... its like taking a German Shepard, and crossing it with a Beagle, you arent modifying any of the DNA...

now when you take a plant species, and constantly tweak and reverse and tweak and reverse the DNA so that the plant can be drenched in Glyphosphate and not die, that is genetically modifying the DNA structure in the species/plant, theres no crossing, graphting, just modifying the structure of its blueprint....

Roundup is going to be something like that of the Meso/Asbestos thing that happened, a sh!t ton of applicators are about and around, and noone takes anything seriously, until 60 years later then will figure out something wasnt right....

i get into arguements with "organic" gardeners around here all the time, when they say they use "organic" fertilizers, which are salt based, or "organic" pesticides for their fruits and vegetables and whatnot.... just because its "organic", doesnt mean its not TOXIC....

Monsanto is a joke, they are trying to monopolize on the fact that farmers dont have the money to pay workers, so they need planes full of Roundup to entirely drench football fields of plants with it to keep the weeds out, since they cant afford to have someone pull them.... think about all that [Bleeeeep!], and whatever may or may not bind to it and then leach into our rivers and streams, then what....

i do use ROundup, but not near my food, and usually at under the recommended application rates, if you do it in the right time of day/year, it works just fine at lower mixing ratios....

Carcassman is either trolling or he suffered some recent head trauma.

GMO is not naturally occurring mutations (natural insertion or deletions of DNA material). Your dads heart valve doesn't make your dad a GMO, unless they spliced pig DNA with your fathers DNA and he generated a heart valve on his "own". Your dad and my grandpa were merely retrofitted with non OEM parts

My thought also because he's usually a pretty smart guy.

Don't worry about this crap. You will die of something else first.

If you don't know the difference between hybridization, grafting, and GMOs, then you should go sit at the kid's table and let the adults talk...by now you have to be wilfully ignorant to think those things are the same.

Fish on...

Todd

If you f**k a rat with corn do you get rat-corn?

You bet!

And humans have been doing it for tens of thousands of years!

The dark side is the kiddie table. Todd, you're the loudest hack on this site. Take the chair on the end. You earned it.

So you're going to join the dumbfuck parade, huh?

Humans haven't been doing it for thousands of years, dumbass. There's still a couple seats at the kids' table though. Pull up a seat,

LOL Dan S. I was just [Bleeeeep!] around. JTFC.

I honestly don't like GMO but that doesn't mean I am gonna lose any sleep over it. I smoke cigarettes.

Nobody's perfect.... I read this instead of drinking

You owe me a keyboard farker!

Dude - don't smoke. Those things kill people. Quitting isn't easy, but it isn't hard, either.

Cancer and heart disease are hard.

I worry for my kids. I've treated my body like a whore house but that doesn't mean it's too late. What my concern with GMO is, it's not sustainable over the long haul. Some day our agricultural system will come crashing down and we'll have to bail out Monsanto because they'll be too big to fail.

So really what are GMO's all about anyways.

1. You need less land to yield a greater harvest.
2. You grow a lower maintanience crop resistant to fungus and bugs.
3. Your crops are not fertile so you can't harvest your own seeds.
4. You will solve world hunger? Nope that did not happen.

So the corn we buy is not really "corn".
The wheat is not really " wheat".
So on and so on...

So what are we eating? And what the hell is the purpose of the whole thing? Is it good for humanity or not?

I got a feeling it's like Fiat currancy, we are just starting to figure out that it was not good for us and we were taken advantage of.. Maybe in tis case poisoned!!

I trust our gooberment.

Not to mention how Monsanto not just ruined farming they also ruined farmers. They effectively have a patent on their pollen. Pollen that effectively ruins your seed crop could mean Monsanto sues and takes your farm and all assets.

...and we wonder what happened to the honey bees. Honey bees and other pollinators like butterflies are not needed by Monsanto since they're producing a sterile seed. Wholesale chemical warfare happening around us and most people are willing participants. Our kids and grandkids will (hopefully) look back and say WTF were you thinking? How could you let this happen?

negative Rich...


the Monsanto sh!t has nothing to do with harvest percentages, just that they are RU resistant.....

also FYI, if you want to get seeds that arent Monsanto produced, they are on the internet.....

even Russians can buy them, GMO or non GMO style...

What happened to all the tree frogs we use to see as kids?

Ozone?